17 May 2015

[Poll] Which male idol is the best singer?


1. JYJ Junsu (53%- 224, 831 votes)
2. CNBLUE Jung Yonghwa (20% - 84, 953 votes)
3. Super Junior Kyuhyun (16% - 65,517 votes)
4. B2ST Yang Yoseob (8% - 34,684 votes) 
5. B1A4 Sandeul (1% - 5, 732 votes)
6. Infinite Sunggyu (0% - 1,462 votes)
7. EXO D.O (0%- 1,410 votes)
8. Big Bang Taeyang (0% - 1,403 votes) 
9. Shinee Jonghyun (0% - 742 votes)
10. Other (0% -676 votes)

Nate Poll: Rediscovery of idol vocals... Who is the best singer among male idols?

1. [+401, -96] Xiah Junsu is a wall

2. [+341, -98] Xiah Junsu is the best

3. [+333, -89] Who else? Of course it's Xia Junsu.

4. [+47, -12] I find it more shocking that Kim Junsu is being called an idol ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

5. [+46, -7] Junsu isn't a rediscovery but he has always been a great singer

6. [+44, -10] I'm a guy but I've been a fan of Junsu for close to 5 years now.

7. [+35, -11] Junsu is indeed a wall but in that list, Yang Yoseob and Taeyang are also amazing singers

8. [+34, -12] Throwing away my biased feelings and voted for Junsu. I love Kyuhyun but Kim Junsu is a wall

9. [+27, -10] I'm 64 years old and I approve of Junsu's skills

10. [+25, -4] Why is D.O here?

11. [+16, -2] My heart wanted to vote for Youngbae... But Junsu is making it hard.....

92 comments:

commedesfuckdown said...

Lee Hong Ki? He is an amazing singer.
Agree with Junsu! And netizen #9, you are quite anazing to be able to use internet and comment on Pann at that age lol

asdfghjkl said...

yonghwa congratulations :)

silvermaoh said...

I think Hongki is also one of the best kpop idol singers

linekaw said...

cmonnn jonghyun 0%???

justtttt said...

You got to be kidding me. 2AM Changmin is not even on the list???? He is a professor

Sefridayongie said...

yonghwa oppa number 2 ...so surprised...fighting oppa....

lyra2015 said...

you rock it Junsu...i admire him (and JYJ) since they face hardship, they all out in exploring their capabilities in hard way...that is why he is awesome, push to the limit in the limited condition

annie said...

besides a couple of obvious ones, the rest are LIES lol

jess23 said...

junsu's vocal technique is so overrated...

j2040 said...

the fact that sandeul is here is enough for me. He's being recognized. I'm happy.

skeheh said...

Yes, but I guess people like him because of his emotions. Technically the best singer in the pool is Kyuhyun.

Anonymous said...

Junsu is definitely a wall.
Taeyang,Hongki are also excellent, but Junsu's live is extremely stable in the past 11 years. His live ver is always better than the studio one

Anonymous said...

i heard that it is not a very good institute though

Anonymous said...

his live singing is very stable all the time. Morning or evening, 1 song or 30 songs continuously, acapella or with hard dance, it is still the same

guest said...

2AM Changmin is not on this list cause he has the image of a singer rather than an idol.

guest said...

i prefer Lee Hong Ki thou. he should be on this list but F.T.Island suffers from lack of promotion.

Camila said...

JUNSU= THE WALL

Sandy Claws said...

Junsu is a freaking wall and I'm so glad Yonghwa is getting recognized as well, I love their voice so much.
On a sidenote, I think Hongki and Jaejoong should've made the list also :c

krackpop said...

Not Chen but D.O?!

Reem alnori said...

Junsu is great even in live
I might like jaejoong's vocal color more it surprised me not seeing him on the list
But what surprised me more yonghwa being #2 so happy for him :)
I also thought hongki shined in the mask singer it's weird I can't see his name :(

Reem alnori said...

So happy he is being recognized for his musical talents ^^

AriellYh said...

So happy for Yonghwa

jess23 said...

stable and emotions =/= good vocal technique

Mushroom said...

Congrats to the winners!

But this poll, wtf - D.O instead of Chen? Taeyang instead of Daesung?!

luna326 said...

seriously. none of the 2AM members made the list. it's a shame.

shiro 白 said...

I'm Glad Yonghwa got the #2 because his voice fits all kind of music genres. He can sing even jazz

choconerd said...

It's not Pann. It's Nate Poll. I can totally relate to you as I had the same initial reaction but Nate poll is more of a conjunction to Nate News which has garners more readership from the general public whereas Nate Pann is more of a hub for teens and kpop fans.

noma said...

Junsu is the wall!
if a singer from FNC, Youghwa definitely not on top of my head. according to kpop vocal analysis site, he is at same level as AOA's Choa. #everybodyknows who is the best vocalist from FNC lol.

Melalia said...

I don't really care about other idol *sorry* but if Junsu no.1 then I approve this poll xD
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it make me remember with allkpop poll about best idol singer and they not even nominate Junsu. Heol.... Junsu become no.1 for many times but allkpop forget about him.

__soosee said...

YangYoo~~~

Matheus Dias Lee said...

How Yonghwa got second place is beyond me... I mean emotions this emotions that, if we're going to be strictly talking about vocal technique.. Kyuhyun > Sandeul >> Junsu/Jonghyun > Yoseob/D.O. > Sungkyu > Yonghwa >>>> Taeyang ...but oh well, it's a popularity contest anyway..

Cassie said...

Junsu and Jaejoong!

Cassie said...

Junsu deserves that. But I'd love if Jaejoong is there too.

Bella said...

Junsu has always been South Korea's favorite. Best or not, he is going to win this poll anyway lol

I personally think he is the best, not technical wise since I don't understand a shit about vocal techniques, but more expressive vocal. This is my opinion, no hate please :p

Reem alnori said...

kpop vocal analysis didn't do choa or yonghwa yet they are still in their future project ^^

JYJ Heaven said...

one thing that i admire from junsu is he still sing very well when he dance so hard

JYJ Heaven said...

its depend on his mood. maybe bcoz he is musical actor now so he changed his technique

Bubblegum_Xia (◕‿◕✿) said...

Not exactly true..the ability to sing and dance is not something that is based on stamina alone unlike what a particular blog would like u to believe..it actually also relies heavily on your breathing technique aka breath control...that's what allows stable vocal performances even whilst dancing..

Reem alnori said...

^^ opened the site and didn't see yonghwa's voice analysis his name is in future projects or did I miss something in that site
#everybodydoesn'tknow :) or maybe #noteverybodyagrees ;)

PikaPika said...

Super Junior's K.R.Y voices are so underrated, people should listen to these 3 more..

xxshinxx said...

Aahhh..here we go again..its just a poll..no need to bring down the other just to make a point..

xxshinxx said...

Aahh..have you heard him live??

Bubblegum_Xia (◕‿◕✿) said...

I think there's a lil more than popularity when it come to Junsu..frankly, there are several artist on that that list is more "popular" than him currently..It ain't 2009 anymore, he hasn't even been promoting properly for the last 6 years..lbr, for the most part, a lot of new kpop fans dont even know him...rated based on popularity won't it be more like taeyang>kyuhyun>Junsu/Yonghwa>Sandeul/D.O>Yoseob>Sungkyu?

Also, I'm kind off a little off-put by the fact that alot of international fans are kind of just regurgitating "facts" from a random international blog, whilst simultaneously discrediting all the korean vocal coaches, trainers, musical directors and critics which have repeatedly ranked idols in a very different position to what was transcribed in the blog..

anon said...

You asked wrong person hehehe.
He definitely listen more than enough.
Go visit his blog about vocal. It will help alot ^^

Bella said...

I don't know if I could trust your list man, your avatar speak Super Junior for me XD

muramurr said...

I don't like his voice and his style. all this makeup... ew

Mira said...

That site created by fans so it is not accurate.
If it was, the analyst should get a real job and making money instead of writing analysis about idols ;)

Mentis said...

I definitely share the same sentiment. Fans never seem to agree on any sort of ranking, and there are even all sorts of disputes over very tangible things like popularity or album sales. Yet, people seem to take a single blog as fact just because it gives an admittingly thorough analysis of vocal ability. However, it's really just one person's opinion, and there are many experts out there who obviously have expressed very different opinions on the matter. It's strange how people are so willing to accept something as universally true when they usually treat the information they're given with a healthy amount of skepticism.

uza said...

i don't get these "junsu is a wall" comments when there are plenty of idols who are better singers than him...

Matheus Dias Lee said...

Yes quite a few times.

Matheus Dias Lee said...

Oh sorry about that lol I'm not really a Super Junior fan. I only love Donghae, not the rest of SuJu. lol

Matheus Dias Lee said...

Again, I can't take said vocal experts or coaches seriously myself, when they never give any reason for credibility. Their comments are usually vague and empty like "He delivers emotion so well" or "His tone is just so unique and perfect for this song" that is so subjective, it's very personal.

Matheus Dias Lee said...

I do have a real job thank you ^ ^ and it involves vocal lessons, funny isn't it?

Matheus Dias Lee said...

Practicing breathing technique is not going to make you able to sing and dance well at the same time automatically. For you to be good at singing and dancing at the same time, you have to practice doing both at the same time. BoA can sing and dance at the same time well, but you're not going to tell BoA has good breathing technique, are you? Breathing technique for singing is a completely different kind of breathing than say breathing for dancing, or swimming or running. One has to do with stamina and aerobic effort, the other one is a whole different kind of breathing. So unlike what you claim or been told, it is different and having good breathing technique alone is not going to make you good at dancing and singing at the same time. Stability yes, but stamina is very much a part of this.

Rainbow said...

well, why dont u try to find the answer by urself? u cant understand when ppl falling in love with someone. dont ask the reason bcoz when u dont like him, u will never understand.

lmao said...

dude you're missing the whole point. singer NOT vocalist which korean GENERAL PUBLIC like that's what this poll about. yourself a vocal expert but your singing is ugly. even tho you're good at knowing breathing and A4! that's why you're a vocal expert not a singer.KOREAN vocal coaches know what KOREAN PUBLIC like to listen to. aka singers with emotions not vocalists who know A4!

uza said...

i don't dislike him, just think his vocals are overrated

Mentis said...

I think ranking vocalists is inherently subjective, those comments about "emotion" and "tone" show that people place different weights on various aspects of being a vocalist. There's no definitive best vocalist, and although the blogs might try to be objective when ranking according to their standards, the standards themselves are still subjective. While the blogs are a good read, I think there's a problem in taking the blog's subjective interpretation of what makes a best vocalist and presenting it as fact.

Matheus Dias Lee said...

No, that's where there's a difference between a technical vocalist and a singer. There's only so much that can be subjective about the technical sides of a vocalist, but who's best singer for your own personal opinion? Then that's relevant only to what you consider singer. Tone and emotion are subjective and only can be applied for singers, not vocalists because vocalists are dependent on technique and technique does not include emotion nor tone. Now the best singer? That can vary, some will prefer the best technical singer, some prefer the best tone, that's where it's subjective and then I agree with you.


When I said vocal experts or coaches I meant Korean ones who comment on singing, not the blog since I'm an author of the blog and I try to be as technical, professional and as precise as possible. Again vocalist is not the same as singer.

Matheus Dias Lee said...

You can't say I'm not a singer or that my singing is ugly. That's your subjective personal opinion. I'm not an expert either, that's too much arrogance. You're right though, this is the most popular and liked singer poll, not the most technically skilled vocalist. Yes that is true. Stop saying A4 as if you know what it means...

Mentis said...

Ah, I see. I suppose I was thrown off because this was a poll about singers, yet you expressed confusion over Yonghwa's position in terms of vocalists instead.


I don't really think it's possible to be completely objective about technique though, which is why I also find it off-putting when people take things as fact. Complete objectiveness would probably necessitate a universally accepted metric as well as a systematic and completely impartial way of rating each component, which is difficult to come by in many fields, not just limited to vocalists.

lmao said...

"You can't say I'm not a singer or that my singing is ugly. That's your subjective personal opinion" actually i can. that's what's audience for. the most popular will be the exo kid and kyuhyun and the new trend not junsu. you're the one who truly need to stop forcing his subjective personal opinion at everyone who disagree. you're the one who don't get the difference between singer and vocalist. if can talk about A4 in internet so can I!

Rainbow said...

then dont try hard to understand why it's overrated. People who voted think junsu is the best, so it is. if u dont agree then u can agree what u believe. opinion is opinion.

Matheus Dias Lee said...

Well yeah, it's because it's hard for me to be okay with a poll that says "Best" and "Singer" together. "Favorite Singer" makes more sense to me, that's really what this poll is. "Best" means there should be something objective about they do, which is why I'm confused about how popular Yonghwa was in this poll. I never expected him to be so high actually.


Well yes you're right, it is objective to a degree of facts, but the rating scale, for an example, is more personalized and is very much done based on a personal criteria that varies from person to person. That's why I believe the rating system can be taken less seriously, but the actual content within the analyses of the blog should be taken seriously. The analyses are analyses for a reason, the content with them is very objective and systematic, the rating is more of a specific scale.

Matheus Dias Lee said...

Actually you're right. You can say my singing is ugly, it's your personal opinion and that's totally fine. Do not call vocal technique subjective though, that is not true. It is not a subjective opinion to say one has better technique than another. You're right though, this is a most liked singer poll, not best technical vocalist, so the results are expeted. However you can't talk about "A4" because I don't think you understand what an A4 is... not with the way you're saying it..

lmao said...

i don't know what A4 is aside from being a paper size and i believe so you. i just don't know why you're so worked up that kyuhyun not no1 in every poll. that you always comment it's a popularity poll. why you need so hard to prove that kyuhyun is the greatest that every fan who is not kyu's and every person to like him.

Matheus Dias Lee said...

Then go ahead and talk about your paper sizes lol I don't think anybody has to like Kyuhyun actually. It's not like I like his singing all the time, I'd much rather listen to girls singing. Objectively speaking he's the most skilled vocalist out of these, subjectively speaking he doesn't have to be anybody's favorite vocalist. He certainly isn't mine. I prefer Onew's voice or Sandeul's singing, personally speaking. I don't go to every poll actually, this page was linked to me so I decided to comment on it. That's all. I think you're confusing me for a Kyuhyun fan when that's not the case. Don't misunderstand, when I come to these kinds of things and I talk about singing, I'm not talking from a fan's point of view, I'm talking from a professional point of view. I guess that's why you don't understand me, because you're talking from a fan's POV.

Rainbow said...

well, friend this was a POLL and i believe people in this world cant agree with only one opinion. so, chill out

Matheus Dias Lee said...

I am totally chill thanks lol

Rainbow said...

thats good lol.

speaking about technique and judging, I believe no one is perfect and no one can judge fairly except God. Enjoy what u love the most is the main to be happy ^^

Matheus Dias Lee said...

I think that's a different kind of judgment.. I'm speaking of like an academic kind of you go to university and you get graded kind of judgment.. but yeah enjoy what you love and be happy, totally agree with that.

Rainbow said...

and that kind of judgment from going to university and get graded isn't always fair.. my friend was the victim .. so basically what i'm saying here was not everyone fairly enough to judge other people

Matheus Dias Lee said...

Ah I see I see.

Matheus Dias Lee said...

You're very right, all I have are degrees, papers, experience, posts and whatnot. You're right the poll is done, I'm not even trying to change people's opinion dear, I am only surprised. You do not need to listen to me at all. ^ ^

Mira said...

I am not trying to sounds bitchy here but how could you prove it?
Even if you can, how could I trust you to be accurate?
Doctor could do malpractice and so other occupations.
I don't need to listen to you since the only thing we communicate is by writing.

Matheus Dias Lee said...

You're right. Malpractice is very common and so then I ask you, why would you trust "Korean experts"? Just because they're famous, doesn't mean they don't do malpractice, right? You don't have to trust me, but then you'd have tot treat everybody fairly and not trust anybody at all. Or would you only trust people whose opinion would be similar to yours? In that case, if you're not educated in the subject, that's just choosing to take a side that's more favorable for your own personal opinion and isn't even fair to everybody, don't you agree? If you wish not to trust me and say you don't believe what I say, that's fine. Papers are just papers, degrees are just degrees. Words are just words, but then you should not trust anybody... but yourself, then that's not knowledge. That's taste.
lol you didn't sound bitchy at all until you said that.. yes I know we're writing to each other, but I didn't mean listen to me in the literal sense, which I'm sure you're aware of lol

miso said...

you are form kpop idol's vocal site rite?
senpaii...

Matheus Dias Lee said...

Oh no no bowing is needed, it's not like Im a celebrity at all haha OMG LOLOL yes that's true. I don't even know why I commented here haha

Reem alnori said...

Hello there :) just wanted to tell you even professors disagree sometimes
And you can't be accurate if you are judging based on videos not personally hearing it
Even so a lot of professionals might disagree with you
This poll was about best singer not best technical singer ;)
It's definitely not about popularity cause junsu is definitely not more popular than the others in Korea

Bubblegum_Xia (◕‿◕✿) said...

i did say it's not stamina alone right? meaning that both are contributing factors..i also went on to say to allow stable vocal performances so, I really don't see where you're going with your comment..

Bubblegum_Xia (◕‿◕✿) said...

i don't know how one was to deduce..oh, well its an ingrained notion from.."Well, it's a popularity contest anyway"..first, off your comment was being deliberately antagonistic and essentially implying everyone voted for him were crazy stans..when we all know that both Youngbae and Kyuhyun have more "mainstream" popularity than him..

I obviously, did not know you were the author..after reading the whole
line about popularity which isn't even true...i became even more
surprised that someone who claimed objectivity could be so deliberate in
their comments..

Frankly, each time you try to discredit and antagonize other idols which you deem below suju, whom from the above comments I've finally realized you were a fan off, you lose a lil credibility to analyses..

Additionally even as objective as you are, there are elements that probably cannot be assessed through footage or even when watching someone perform on stage simply because of the adjusted mike volumes..

So let's all agree to disagree at this point..

Matheus Dias Lee said...

Well then I apologize for adding to that, it seemed that you were overestimating breath support when dancing and underestimating stamina. If that's not the case, then my bad.

Matheus Dias Lee said...

Okay, so if you're going to keep hitting the key, let me rephrase and hopefully that will make you stop using that argument. Perhaps "it's a popularity contest" isn't the best way to put it, so instead how about a "popular contest", meaning the most popular opinion wins, not the most educated. So it's a contest asking popular opinion, which means the average population and what they've been told and what they think, not educated individuals. It's inaccurate to claim that Taeyang or Kyuhyun are more popular than Junsu because yes they might be more popular amongst southeast asian fans or international fans or the younger generation, the older generation however also is a huge part of the poll takers, I'd assume, and they're not as informed as the young generations and they could care less about EXO, Big Bang, SuJu and stuff. So Junsu, being more well known and having made a name for himself as a vocalist and not an Idol, has earned respect from others, even if those others might not be vocally informed, they know him as a vocal talent.


Okay, would you like me to apologize for my deliberate comments? I mean you're right, why would I be wasting my time here trying to post an opinion. I mean I am still a person and I just posted something, didn't think I'd get many replies actually because I didn't know how popular of a blog this was. So I'm sorry for my my deliberate comments.


Actually cute attempt, but please do not claim that I am something I'm not. I'm not a SuJu fan and I do love Donghae, like I love Jimin of BTS, I have one BTS song. I love both, not their singing. Same for SuJu as a whole, so do not even try to say that me putting Kyuhyun above everybody else means I'm a SuJu fan. So no, I do not put Kyuhyun above others because I'm his fan, which I'm not really, I put him above the rest because he's more vocally skilled and unless you can tell me how that's wrong, I do not see why even discuss that.


Mic volumes? Mhmm that could be true if we're looking at one video, if you watch a good amount of videos, a professional should be able to hear details about someone's singing. That's just my personal experience on it, though.

uza said...

i'm not trying to understand anything, i just don't get it lol

Anonymous said...

if he has been acknowledged by experts in the industry, who are you to judge his technique? furthermore, he should know his vocal cord more than anyone. If his voice has been that stable all the time like that, that means he know how to use and protect his cord.

mikomu said...

D.O needs to be removed y

xxshinxx said...

Yeah right..I believe its him..thanks to the link..tsk!

anon said...

???

I don't understand what are you trying to imply but it's him. You can also visit vocal thread in Onehallyu since he always answering question there nicely.
For years i only living in belief that my idol only has nice tone,but some people on those blog elaborate it to me nicely and helping me know what should my fav improve to keep getting better. If only the idols itself took proper vocal lesson,it will help longevity in for their vocal. So even they're getting old later they still can sing healthyly.
I only studied music but never about vocal,too many idols sing like a dying cat and not using proper technic. Singing with proper way will help the singer themselves if they want to sing for a long time ^^

goon said...

Seriously. These "wall" thing going on in kpop culture is freaking annoying. If anything, Junsu is a wall when it comes to overrated singers.

Bootyass said...

I think junsu's voice is not that great?.... Like... Why do Knetz gas him up... He doesn't sound better .. I actually dislike his voice a lot... I think kyungsoo is a lot better than him but ... Whatever I guess.

moya said...

Junsu is really great.
I just hope taeil can be like him~

Babymint said...

Junsu sounds like a dolphin